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hi this is susan gerbic from gso w

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that's guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia

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I want to thank everyone who via the

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 593 for the 23rd of

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February 2020 read saunders coming to

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you from Sydney Australia coming up on

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this week's show 10 things to look out

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for with medicine advertisements now

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this comes in the wake of a multi-level

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marketing company being fined nearly

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forty thousand dollars for alleged

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breaches of the code in this case it's

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the Juice Plus company and they've been

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fined by the Therapeutic Goods

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Administration the TGA

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and in researching this story I

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discovered an information page from the

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TGA about what you should look out for

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when medical products are being

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advertised a handy checklist especially

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if you're considering using so-called

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alternative medicine following that it's

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the next in our series of logical

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fallacies with Michelle Bica smart our

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new reporter this week Michelle looks at

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the appeal to Authority and I'm

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certainly looking forward to catching up

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with Michelle and lots of the vic

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skeptics at skeptic amp next weekend

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more information about that at the end

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of the show then we have an update from

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susan gerbic from guerrilla skepticism

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on wikipedia I think we need to think

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this week Susan gives us an update on

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some recent additions and revisions to

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wiki pages including the page of choice

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magazine here in Australia and where you

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can find out more about the famous

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shonky Awards then to round off the show

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it's Maynard's spooky action more from

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skeptic on 2019 in Melbourne this week

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Maine our chats to our very own reporter

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Trish Hann about social media influences

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and more a mixed bag of an episode this

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week but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have a bit of an

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international selection miso soup Irish

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stew and bread pudding make of that what

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is a story that was brought to my

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attention by Heidi Robertson now very

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unholy robbers in the raw skeptic

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multi-level marketing company find

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thirty seven thousand eight hundred

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couple of weeks ago on the skeptic zone

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we ran a segment where I recommended

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people listen to the dream podcast

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series one is all about multi-level

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marketing and series two is all about

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the wellness industry and I'm still

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enjoying episodes of that podcast this

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information comes to us from the

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Australian government the Department of

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Health therapeutics Goods Administration

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website and it is in their media

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releases and statements dated the 18th

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of February 2020 the Juice Plus company

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Australia propriety Limited has paid

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penalties of thirty seven thousand eight

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hundred dollars after the therapeutics

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infringement notices for alleged

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advertising breaches relating to a

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vitamin products the TGA alleged the

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requirements these related to promoting

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obligations as the company when

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advertising therapeutic goods and must

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public in Australia there are also rules

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particular conditions without approval

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medicine is 100% safe and there are no

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miracle cures think carefully about the

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claims being made in an advertisement

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and do your homework

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an advertising complaint online so we

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can investigate and people in the

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skeptical movement here in Australia

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namely Ken Harvey dr. Ken Harvey people

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doing much of that but a quick search of

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Juice Plus Online brings us to a website

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Direct Selling dot-org today you Direct

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Selling Australia and the information

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about Juice Plus+

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it's actually juice the word plus in a

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little plus sign Juice Plus+ is the

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convenient and inexpensive way to add

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more nutrition to your diet from fruits

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and vegetables every day Juice Plus+

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fruit blend is made from seven different

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fruits Juice Plus+ vegetable blend is

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made from ten different vegetables

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grains plus an array of natural

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antioxidants phytochemicals and fibers

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in a convenient capsule form each

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ingredient is especially selected to

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provide you with a wide range of

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nutritional benefits we call it quote

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the next best thing to fruit and

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vegetables men quote we distribute our

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product through a network marketing

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model of business through our virtual

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franchisees based in Newcastle New South

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Wales and for those international

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listeners Newcastle is the first major

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distributors throughout Australia and

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New Zealand now this had me interested

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Therapeutic Goods Administration and I

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and it's under home about the TGA

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advertising hub complaints and outcomes

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10 things to look out for in medicine

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advertisements Australia has laws about

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what can and can't be shown in a medical

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advertisement but you still need to be

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careful about the claims being made

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don't believe everything you read

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should look out for in advertisements

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for medicines one advertisements for

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medicines must comply with Australian

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law ads must comply with the

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therapeutics Goods Act 1989 and other

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laws advertising of medicines must be

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package be wary of any medicines that

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don't have either of these numbers as

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they may be illegal or not be a genuine

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medicine now for many years the

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Australian skeptics and indeed the

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skeptics own podcast has been advising

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people to look out for the Aust l or us

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product only has to in theory be backed

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cost are registered meaning the product

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has actually been tested scientifically

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and shown to be ethical next time you're

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in your pharmacy here in Australia have

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a look at the packet of the medicine

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not raise unrealistic expectations no

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medicine will be completely effective

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for all patients ads cannot claim that a

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medicine is 100% effective a miracle

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cure or harmless and free of side

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effects remember if it sounds too good

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to be true it probably is

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the products owner will make a donation

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the charity endorses the product fair

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effective on their own be careful of ads

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for weight loss products that are

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unlikely to work on their own and

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vertice mints for these products may

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refer to using the product in

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conjunction with a healthy diet and

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lifestyle talk to your doctor for advice

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that it says talk to your doctor and not

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talk to your healthcare professional for

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as we've mentioned before on the skeptic

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zone healthcare professional these days

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can mean anything including a homeopathy

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disclosed and comparisons fair where the

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advertisements for medicines refer to

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research or results they must identify

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the researcher it is illegal to state or

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imply that other products are

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ineffective or harmful 9 references to

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laboratory studies and tests and not

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always what they seem some

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their results are supported by

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laboratory tests or studies however this

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may just mean that the product was

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tested on cells in a test tube or on

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animals such as mice and does not mean

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that the medicine will give the same

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results when used in humans 10 medicines

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Western herbal medicine homeopathy

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rather than or sometimes as well as

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scientific evidence then towards the

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bottom it says advertising can take many

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different forms for example native

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advertising is advertising that is

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presented in the same way as other

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content around it like news advertising

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can also appear as social media posts

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same fundamental rules apply to all and

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right at the bottom this is very

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important no matter the format if

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something encourages you to look for or

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use a particular medicine it is an

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advertisement and then it goes on with

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how you can contact them for more

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information I will link to this page in

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this week's show notes as well I think

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that is a very good page and very good

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points to keep in mind

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now the TGA the Therapeutic Goods

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Administration has certainly come in for

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a lot of criticism over the years from

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skeptical groups about their lack of

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action against certain modalities but to

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give them their due they do take action

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when they can and I will imagine that

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there like many government departments

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they have somewhat under resourced an

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interesting little rabbit hole there

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thanks to Heidi Robertson the raw

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skeptic hi this is dr. Pamela gay from

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astronomy cast each week Fraser Cain and

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I take our listeners on a fact-based

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journey through the cosmos with our

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weekly podcast we explain not just what

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we know but how we know what we know

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about this universe that we share check

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us out at astronomy cast calm and look

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for us in itunes google play and where

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ever you download podcasts see online

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logical fallacies

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what are the logical fallacies and why

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is it important that critical thinkers

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should know about them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning but it usually crops

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up when we are discussing or arguing our

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point of view some people might even

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knowingly use them to try and score

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cheap points in an argument

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due to intellectual laziness they are

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traps we can fall into but if we know

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what to look out for we can spot them

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when they occur and stop ourselves from

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using them

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this week we'll look at the appeal to

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Authority the use of the perceived

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knowledge or expertise or even celebrity

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of someone or an institution to add

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weight to your argument or to justify

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your decisions in science there are no

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ultimate authorities now what do I mean

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by this no one no matter how qualified

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they are in their special field of

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knowledge is regarded as having all the

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answers and always being right there may

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well be other experts in the same area

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of knowledge who disagree like the rest

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of us even experts can make mistakes as

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science is an ongoing process no one

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could ever have the final answers in a

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field of knowledge or study also someone

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who is regarded as an authority or

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expert in one area of knowledge

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astronomy for example may not be

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qualified to comment on climate science

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or geology and so on I know homeopathy

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works it's based on energy frequencies

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even Albert Einstein knew this when he

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said everything is energy and that's all

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there is to it match the frequency of

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the reality you want and you cannot help

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but get that reality it can be no other

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way this is not philosophy this is

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physics poor old Einstein his name has

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been used so many times over the decades

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to justify all sorts of claims not only

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did Einstein never say this classic fake

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quote the quote itself makes no sense at

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all it is just a bunch of science

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sounding words meshed together and

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something we call a word salad the

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important thing to remember is that

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invoking the name of Einstein or anyone

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else does not therefore mean your point

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is correct I always eat mint ice

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biscuits in the evening I know they're

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good as world uphill skiing

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being marry Boyd endorses them nor I

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believe in the new age healing power of

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reconnected energy spirits

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I mean if it's good enough for movie

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star Alfreda parks it's good enough for

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me just because someone famous or

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someone you admire advertisers or

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endorses a product or even an idea or

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philosophy it doesn't mean that the

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product or idea is the right one for you

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or anyone else many people can be

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convinced of the amazing health benefits

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of something only to find out later it

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was just a placebo of course it might be

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a fine product after all and really work

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but try to judge it on its own merits

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Mentos biscuits aren't any better or

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worse just because someone you like

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promotes them it's important to keep in

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mind that many times experts in their

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field are called experts because they

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have studied a subject over many years

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and often do indeed know what they are

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talking about they have earned the right

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to be listened to but in the end even

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and even knowing its name is

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important when arguing your point of

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view however you may come across as

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arrogant and not get very far if you

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call it out by name to your opponent

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when you hear it being used if your

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opponent calls you out for using one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you were making your case use your

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knowledge of logical fallacies wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right and you know all the

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pitfalls in arguing your case it doesn't

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always mean you'll win on the day and a

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skeptics we must also remember that we

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too can be wrong at times I'm sure

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because my from the VEX skeptics thanks

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hi this is Heidi Robertson from the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated to promoting good science and

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common sense in our region the far north

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coast of New South Wales this area are

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famous for its natural beauty and

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relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest

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rates of vaccination in Australia we are

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out to change that by challenging the

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myths and misinformation and by

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providing good evidence-based

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information to the community we'd love

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for you no matter where you are in the

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world to join our fight please visit our

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webpage at WWF in folk we also have a

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link there to our Facebook page tweet us

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at in our FAQs supporters

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that's VIX and check us out on Wikipedia

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by searching for Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters thank you

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here's susan gerbic ho skeptic zone

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listeners this is Susan from the

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guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia

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project I'm always happy to get a chance

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to speak to you and just a few updates

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in the world of gso W that is the

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guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia

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project our international team of

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editors has just written our 1327

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Wikipedia page and those 1327 Wikipedia

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pages have been viewed over 55 million

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times

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in fact we're getting close to 56

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million times now some recent pages we

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have been working on have been for

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Gwyneth Paltrow's goop company and the

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goop lab which is the new show out on

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Netflix and we feel that that's really

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important to get great information out

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about goop and goop lab and we have

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written those Wikipedia pages in English

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Afrikaans Spanish and French and those

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Wikipedia pages have our are about

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nearing 150,000 page views in Spanish

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one page we've just recently written was

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like dora el caliente which is hot

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reading and that's a technique sometimes

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used by some psychic mediums where they

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have information on you before they do

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the reading either from social media or

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maybe their sister told them all about

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you or some other kind of way that they

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know something about you but appear that

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they don't know anything about you until

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they start speaking to the dead in

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Portuguese we've just written the

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Wikipedia pages for Venus and retrograde

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and mercury in retrograde

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Susie wills just received a newly

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rewritten Wikipedia page and Susie was

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the emcee for the New Zealand skeptics

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conference I attended in December she's

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a microbiologist and a sign

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communicator she specializes in

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infectious diseases and has been kept

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quite busy by the media lately

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explaining the krona virus hopefully

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this will mean that the media will find

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her Wikipedia page and find all her

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different accolades and how awesome she

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is and use her more often whenever

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they're talking about infectious

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diseases in science communication the

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Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy yes there is

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a Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy apparently

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and it has received a new wikipedia page

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in Africans that is a language spoken in

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South Africa besides English in fact we

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have one editor who's written a hundred

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and ten Africans Wikipedia pages on all

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kinds of areas pertaining to science

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pseudoscience and South African

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scientists and that really makes me

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smile to know that students are reading

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well-written Wikipedia pages about

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science and pseudoscience in the

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language of Africans we recently wrote a

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book a PV a page for the documentary we

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believe in dinosaurs released by the

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science community it was released in

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2019 and it's about the controversy

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surrounding the construction of the art

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encounter Museum that's in Kentucky one

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of our editors has a lot of Education in

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the pharmaceutical world and he has

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written at least 10 nah maybe closer to

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20 Wikipedia pages that are all tiled

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with a string of letters and numbers

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like this one H 3 K 3 6 M E which is an

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epigenetic modification to the DNA

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packaging protein histone h3 wow that's

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a mouthful this same editor wrote the

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Wikipedia page for one of the promising

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new drugs that is treating Ebola Richard

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and Maynard reported from the shonky

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Awards a few months back they are

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awarded by choice which is an Australian

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consumers association and that sounds

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like scientific skepticism so gso w

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editor lawrence rewrote their wikipedia

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page it's now all referenced and he has

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listed all the past shonky Award winners

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as a shonky is a negative award for

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dubious or dishonest behavior from

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companies so being listed on a Wikipedia

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page is a way to shame companies that

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practice shonky behaviors and I'm

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reading the Wikipedia page now and I see

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that one of the 2019 shonky winners was

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the entire Australian pet insurance

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industry for quote catch-22 pet

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insurance whose conditions make it

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worthless and bad insurance riddled with

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exclusions unquote

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so there's way more pages completed than

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I could mention did you know that the

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sceptic zone is currently our best

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source for new recruits no experience

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necessary

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00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:55,090
just approached me with a Facebook

560
00:27:58,889 --> 00:27:56,440
message and will get your training

561
00:28:00,869 --> 00:27:58,899
started a few months later and you'll be

562
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:00,879
educating the world with well written

563
00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:03,580
and researched articles and no you do

564
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,940
not have to speak Africans I want to

565
00:28:10,019 --> 00:28:08,320
mention that I've just released a report

566
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:10,029
on the New Zealand skeptic conference

567
00:28:16,499 --> 00:28:12,309
held last December in Christchurch we

568
00:28:18,509 --> 00:28:16,509
had a fabulous time read the article if

569
00:28:21,659 --> 00:28:18,519
anything for just the photographs

570
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:21,669
because they are amazing we had such a

571
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:23,950
blast and to attend at the next

572
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:26,169
conference by the New Zealand skeptics

573
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:27,700
is going to be held in late October in

574
00:28:32,909 --> 00:28:30,820
Wellington New Zealand I hope to have a

575
00:28:36,779 --> 00:28:32,919
report out next month on the Melbourne

576
00:28:39,149 --> 00:28:36,789
conference I attended this last December

577
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,159
and the next one's going to be held in

578
00:28:46,229 --> 00:28:41,919
the Gold Coast in early October so get

579
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:46,239
over to the Gold Coast or Wellington

580
00:28:51,299 --> 00:28:48,340
this next year you're gonna have an

581
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:51,309
absolute blast if you can make it to Las

582
00:28:56,009 --> 00:28:53,289
Vegas this October you're gonna find me

583
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,019
and about 700 other people to meet at

584
00:29:01,889 --> 00:28:59,279
saikhan speakers will be announced soon

585
00:29:04,049 --> 00:29:01,899
June 7th which is coming up pretty

586
00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:04,059
quickly is sceptical it's held in

587
00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:05,429
Oakland California

588
00:29:09,509 --> 00:29:07,480
hopefully Richard Saunders will be

589
00:29:11,999 --> 00:29:09,519
interviewing a very popular science

590
00:29:13,739 --> 00:29:12,009
writer you're all pretty familiar with I

591
00:29:15,479 --> 00:29:13,749
can't say more because we haven't

592
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:15,489
announced the speakers yet but it's

593
00:29:20,609 --> 00:29:18,700
going to be really awesome we are as a

594
00:29:22,349 --> 00:29:20,619
community growing the number of lectures

595
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:22,359
and conferences held all over the world

596
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:25,620
so try to attend one or two as you can

597
00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:27,390
and that's all for the moment skeptic

598
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:28,950
zone listeners thank you so much for

599
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,770
your welcome as I and Mark Edward travel

600
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:33,720
through New Zealand and lectured our way

601
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:37,170
around Australia we somehow managed to

602
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,270
avoid the drop there's and hoop snakes

603
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:41,520
but who knows maybe the next time we're

604
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:44,910
there we'll be able to take a photo a

605
00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:47,510
selfie with a hoop snake or a drop bear

606
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:48,990
Tata for now

607
00:29:59,030 --> 00:29:56,760
thanks all are you looking for a

608
00:30:01,400 --> 00:29:59,040
science-based medical podcast to answer

609
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:01,410
all your questions about health check

610
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:03,929
out the body of evidence whether you're

611
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:05,610
curious about the potential benefits of

612
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:08,280
omega-3s or the potential risks of

613
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:11,010
vaping we take a look at the body of

614
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:13,140
evidence to separate the noise the hype

615
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:17,160
the lies from actual scientific rigor we

616
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:19,260
do it with comedy skits the only logical

617
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:20,670
thing to do is for me to take off all my

618
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:22,890
clothes and run into the street no

619
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:24,690
remember the first rule of podcasting

620
00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:28,530
always keep your pants on with jingles

621
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622
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:34,530
and by you know discussing what the

623
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:36,210
evidence has to say on the topic at hand

624
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,330
or unless that is a pill but yeah it has

625
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:41,220
it has the side effects of bloating gas

626
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:42,840
and greasy stool which makes it very

627
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:45,270
unpleasant the body of evidence find it

628
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:47,730
a body of evidence dossier or on your

629
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:50,130
favorite podcast app the body of

630
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:53,250
evidence medicine that tastes funny and

631
00:30:57,250 --> 00:31:02,860
[Music]

632
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:11,090
his may not spooky action at a distance

633
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:13,830
well we're in the media room here and

634
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,700
I'd like to call the scrum but there's

635
00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:17,440
really not enough people really um there

636
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:19,000
isn't enough people for a fight really

637
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:22,150
even but here I am with Trish Hannah a

638
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:24,250
skeptic Zane yes and you're away from

639
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:26,740
your radio or graphic actions over this

640
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:27,280
weekend

641
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:29,380
I am indeed I'm on holiday actually do

642
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:30,730
you have a slightly high residual

643
00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:33,010
background radiation personally than the

644
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:34,300
normal person on the street because

645
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:36,900
that's what you do for a living

646
00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:39,250
certainly know about it there I hope

647
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:40,780
what have you found the most interesting

648
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:44,200
things so far and skeptical oh actually

649
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:46,090
because there's been so many like such a

650
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:48,190
variety of topics that I've actually

651
00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:49,450
enjoyed quite a few of them which is

652
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:50,980
very nice I really lovely Mary's talk

653
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:51,940
just now

654
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,740
that was fantastic on linguistic I find

655
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:55,720
linguistics so fascinating look it's

656
00:32:02,040 --> 00:31:57,130
fascinating but I had to leave when

657
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:02,050
looking I'm subjunctive notes failure on

658
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:04,450
our way I'm sorry look I'm just gonna

659
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:06,220
learn Latin and come back in a couple of

660
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:07,540
years I'm here but do you were good with

661
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:08,590
it because you had a proper education

662
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:10,630
yeah you see I'm a survivor of a grammar

663
00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:12,580
school so you know where we had to learn

664
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:15,190
not only English but Latin French and

665
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:16,900
German and then all the other forms of

666
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:18,070
English that no one actually speaks

667
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:19,720
anymore you couldn't tell from how I

668
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:22,630
talk now but still you've got some of

669
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:25,180
those in jokes down there maybe maybe

670
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:28,120
not just reading from her online there

671
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:30,160
she was saying if you can understand

672
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:31,630
someone's grammar well enough to correct

673
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:33,280
it you probably shouldn't now do you

674
00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:34,930
think that's a good rule I absolutely

675
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:38,920
agree I agree so much I tweeted it very

676
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:40,210
true indeed what about the dinner last

677
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:41,800
night there's a lot of magic in the air

678
00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:44,950
I was animagus assistant as were you yes

679
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,840
I think vom saal must be burnt at the

680
00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:48,640
stake for being a witch yes I don't

681
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:50,380
think that people should be able to do

682
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:51,730
the kind of tricks that he was doing I

683
00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:53,770
had people coming up to me wanting to

684
00:33:00,300 --> 00:32:56,980
know how the trick was done and telling

685
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,310
me I was a plant no no I had no idea

686
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:02,080
because it was a it was a number that a

687
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:03,580
rather complicated number that came out

688
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:05,980
using a calculator on phone I got no

689
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:06,910
idea how it happened

690
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:08,860
well it involved you know several people

691
00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:11,020
because he went around the room we had

692
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:12,550
lottery tickets handed out and then

693
00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:14,800
magically that the final number of the

694
00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:17,680
calculation was not only today's date

695
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:23,920
I had a great chat to him and because I

696
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:27,110
said look both that you and dr. Brad are

697
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:29,330
my two favorite GPS I wish I had great

698
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:31,580
GPS like you and he pointed out that

699
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:33,410
look you shouldn't be so harsh on GPS

700
00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:34,970
because maybe the ones you've seen that

701
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:37,400
have been in the in practice a bit

702
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:39,110
longer a little bit perhaps a bit jaded

703
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:41,270
a bit cynical and maybe we could be

704
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:43,100
affected by that in years to come so I

705
00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:44,480
thought that was an interesting point I

706
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:45,800
think it's a very good argument for

707
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:47,390
paying your GP as well because if your

708
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:49,280
GP is having to branch out and do magic

709
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:51,110
with codes birthday parties and the one

710
00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:53,210
funeral then maybe HP beginning pay

711
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:54,950
better for their actual primary job I

712
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,230
wanted to say who I mean I've heard

713
00:34:00,160 --> 00:33:58,880
these Chinese funerals where they have

714
00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:00,170
strippers and all sorts of weird stuff

715
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:02,780
going on but in Australia having a

716
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:05,030
magician at your funeral I mean everyone

717
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:06,980
said oh maybe the guy's not dead and

718
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:09,110
it's some elaborate prank that's been

719
00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:10,700
pulled on us you know I'd like to

720
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:11,780
imagine that he made the coffin

721
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:14,390
disappear or something like that so is

722
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:16,850
there any new whoo or paranormal or

723
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:18,919
unusual thing that someone's mentioned

724
00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:20,510
or talked about over the weekend so far

725
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:23,060
Trish well funnily enough the thing that

726
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,500
has been on my mind that a couple of

727
00:34:28,659 --> 00:34:26,240
people have mentioned I'm glad that it's

728
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:28,669
being paid attention to is the absolute

729
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:32,060
explosion of whoo on Instagram you now

730
00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:34,570
get these and I'm gonna coin the term

731
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:39,380
influence because their influences and

732
00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:40,820
and they're everywhere

733
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:42,020
you know you've got things like tazed

734
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:44,750
way who recently they're Australians

735
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:46,780
there are another one of those Instagram

736
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:49,850
like they are a brand in themselves and

737
00:34:55,630 --> 00:34:52,940
they have been very strongly advocating

738
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:55,640
for not vaccinating and and obviously

739
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:57,170
with what's happening in Samoa what's

740
00:35:01,540 --> 00:34:58,610
happening in Africa what's happening all

741
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,550
over the world unfortunately that kind

742
00:35:05,530 --> 00:35:03,680
of talk is is dangerous and it's killing

743
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,540
people I was talking to some of the

744
00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:07,460
journalists here from the age today in

745
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:08,540
Melbourne and they were saying that

746
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:10,610
influences are getting into crystals and

747
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:11,960
things like that and I was thinking well

748
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:13,700
they can sell them that's a that's

749
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:16,190
something with a high markup but do you

750
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:17,480
think it's going to be that sort of

751
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:19,130
things with a higher markup they're

752
00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:20,930
selling or the whole wellness package

753
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:23,660
like do what we do and you'll look like

754
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:25,670
us so which one seems to be what's going

755
00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,710
on at the moment well so if you look at

756
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:29,900
it so last year's bent spoon winner so

757
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:32,150
yeah Sarah Stevenson who we all would

758
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:34,610
have been suing to Sochi her holding it

759
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,260
up by the way she dropped by your place

760
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,720
for a cup of tea no she didn't she

761
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:40,700
definitely she what we would call sub

762
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:42,950
tweeted us afterwards which was very

763
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:46,190
funny but no so she her whole brand is

764
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:48,410
based off of if you buy the things that

765
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:51,410
I buy if you act the way that I act then

766
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:53,180
maybe you will look as amazing as I do

767
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:54,380
and she does she looks absolutely

768
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:57,470
incredible but she sells a particular

769
00:36:02,220 --> 00:35:59,690
lifestyle so she sells a brand of

770
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,230
clothing types of makeup types of like

771
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:04,880
health drink smoothies that kind of

772
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:06,770
stuff and it's this whole thing if you

773
00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:08,330
do everything I'm doing then how could

774
00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:11,300
you not look like me and hmm and did you

775
00:36:14,830 --> 00:36:13,580
put like an exercise program and that

776
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:14,840
kind of thing because that is the kind

777
00:36:17,470 --> 00:36:16,310
of thing that's probably gonna make you

778
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:17,480
look like her more than anything else

779
00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:19,370
any exercise things she's doing oh and

780
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:21,590
her DNA of course from appearance well

781
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:23,270
exactly if you were in the genetic

782
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:24,950
lottery and you look that amazing cuz

783
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:26,930
even when if a we awarded the bent spoon

784
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:28,910
to her she was quite heavily pregnant

785
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:30,860
and she still looked absolutely

786
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:32,570
fantastic she was still doing yoga like

787
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:33,530
every day and picking up all these

788
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:35,210
videos of her bending in all sorts of

789
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:37,700
ways with this pretty decent bump and I

790
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:38,660
thought like that's absolutely

791
00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:41,240
incredible however that's gonna add to a

792
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,920
hell of a lot of shame that women will

793
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:44,480
be feeling if they are not capable of

794
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:46,490
doing that because you know pregnancy

795
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:48,050
does take a lot out of you and if you're

796
00:36:52,330 --> 00:36:49,700
just lucky enough that your genes have

797
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:52,340
given you this almost superpower well

798
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:54,230
that's great for you and fantastic but

799
00:36:57,970 --> 00:36:56,150
it can really cause quite a lot of body

800
00:37:00,280 --> 00:36:57,980
dysmorphia in other young women it can

801
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:00,290
cause it lead to eating disorders it can

802
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:01,730
lead to all sorts of really unhealthy

803
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:03,530
habits and it's all propagated by this

804
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:05,900
amazing hashtag no filter but there's a

805
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:09,380
lot of filters do you think that this is

806
00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:11,660
taking the place of in the supermarket

807
00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:12,620
while you're waiting in the checkout

808
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:14,360
there's the glamorous magazines at the

809
00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:16,370
front and now it's on your phone and

810
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:18,020
you're kind of choosing to follow it so

811
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:20,870
it's more more insidious yeah I tend the

812
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:22,910
thing is as well like it goes everywhere

813
00:37:25,150 --> 00:37:24,770
you go right your phone is always with

814
00:37:41,410 --> 00:37:25,160
you

815
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:41,420
there is there's a point to be made that

816
00:37:45,850 --> 00:37:44,150
like perhaps we're dumbing down people

817
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:45,860
here I'm surely people must know that

818
00:37:49,450 --> 00:37:48,170
what they're watching is a fantasy and

819
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:49,460
they can't all think that this is

820
00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:51,320
completely real and is achievable to

821
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:53,540
everybody else is watching surely people

822
00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:55,369
must be able to make that break between

823
00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:56,840
fantasy because they take their own

824
00:37:59,859 --> 00:37:58,250
Instagram photos and they're not going

825
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:59,869
to put a bad one up well the thing I

826
00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:00,890
think with that is that that's

827
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,060
definitely the case when it comes to

828
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:04,400
actual celebrities so you know I know

829
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:05,750
that I'm never gonna look like Angelina

830
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:09,400
Jolie because she has a whole lips back

831
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:12,050
and one cheekbone on one side it's

832
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,070
amazing I couldn't afford the other one

833
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:18,320
but yeah she has like this entire army

834
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:20,450
of people who make her look as amazing

835
00:38:23,859 --> 00:38:22,850
as she does and so she has the money for

836
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:23,869
it as well but when you look at these

837
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:25,790
influences of course when they first

838
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:28,490
start out they don't have access to that

839
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,530
kind of that money because that's how

840
00:38:34,750 --> 00:38:32,720
it's self-perpetuating so they become

841
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:34,760
big they have a brand they look amazing

842
00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:36,770
then what happens is these makeup brands

843
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:38,600
will say oh we will pay you this much if

844
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:40,460
you start using our foundation or a few

845
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:41,900
stone of course they want to see your

846
00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:45,050
photos looking good yeah amazing so not

847
00:38:48,609 --> 00:38:46,700
only will they they won't just post you

848
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:48,619
some foundation and off you go they will

849
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,270
give you tutorials they all go through

850
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:51,680
everything with you then you obviously

851
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:53,330
watch tutorials of other people what

852
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:55,130
they're doing and you then you finesse

853
00:38:59,680 --> 00:38:57,530
your look so even when the influencers

854
00:39:02,740 --> 00:38:59,690
first start out they still look bloody

855
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:02,750
amazing but they don't have that quite

856
00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:05,480
that polished brand and I think that's

857
00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:07,700
the thing is that when when young girls

858
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:09,560
look at these images and they scroll all

859
00:39:12,849 --> 00:39:10,609
the way back to the beginning of these

860
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:12,859
feeds they will see them and go but she

861
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:14,510
still looked incredible there it's just

862
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:16,670
maybe her hair wasn't quite as perfect

863
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,010
so that means that I can if I can look

864
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:21,200
like that then maybe a brand will come

865
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:22,850
to me and say oh we'll give you our

866
00:39:28,270 --> 00:39:25,850
slimming tea or you know whatever it is

867
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:28,280
that they're spreaking for many years

868
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:30,500
now when I've been talking to you you'd

869
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:31,970
get some photos done and go to a

870
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:33,470
modeling agency to join up

871
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,300
but now pretty much the first question

872
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,800
you will be asked as a young model is

873
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:38,240
how many followers have you got on

874
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:40,609
various social medias and that is almost

875
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:42,170
more important than what you're looking

876
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:43,520
there might be stuff in the high end

877
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:45,170
where this certain looks they're looking

878
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:47,090
for but yeah when you start they wonder

879
00:39:50,109 --> 00:39:48,890
how many how many followers you got yeah

880
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:50,119
because the whole thing as well with the

881
00:39:54,849 --> 00:39:51,890
internet and with these kind of the

882
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,859
Bran's looks come and go really quickly

883
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,660
as you know like we've had so many

884
00:39:59,470 --> 00:39:57,920
different looks through the years and

885
00:40:01,269 --> 00:39:59,480
like androgynous was a big thing for a

886
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:01,279
long time and then it became like you

887
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:02,660
know curvy air and then it went to

888
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:04,010
slimmer again and this kind of stuff in

889
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:06,200
the brands that the brand's know that

890
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:10,190
what people want changes so as you I

891
00:40:13,809 --> 00:40:12,140
guess as you follow these trends you can

892
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:13,819
tree be putting them at magazines and

893
00:40:16,210 --> 00:40:14,990
doing it the old-school way because by

894
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:16,220
the time we've printed it and it's gone

895
00:40:19,299 --> 00:40:18,049
to press and someone's bought it we've

896
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:19,309
moved on again so it needs to be

897
00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:20,690
followers it needs to be online because

898
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:22,549
these things change so quickly so does

899
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,650
that mean that the way models look now

900
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:27,440
is out of the hands of gay designers who

901
00:40:31,329 --> 00:40:29,150
like girls with twelve-year-old boy

902
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:31,339
bodies is that so is that maybe a

903
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:32,180
positive thing

904
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:34,130
I wouldn't wanna comment on that but I

905
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:37,250
think was the go for a while it's opened

906
00:40:40,779 --> 00:40:38,900
doors definitely to a lot more styles

907
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:40,789
and you now get a lot more like

908
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:43,460
non-binary or just at least androgynous

909
00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:45,140
kind of looking models which was not

910
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:47,329
really a thing before and it's nice to

911
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:48,650
see as well that they are they're kind

912
00:40:52,809 --> 00:40:50,569
of you do get these Instagram accounts

913
00:40:55,299 --> 00:40:52,819
that are embracing body positivity

914
00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:55,309
however body positivity has its own

915
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,380
issues as well because you know you need

916
00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:00,079
to have that sense of are we being

917
00:41:03,339 --> 00:41:01,700
healthy in the way that we're looking at

918
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:03,349
our bodies mmm it's good because it's

919
00:41:08,769 --> 00:41:06,410
proud to be bigger but then sometimes

920
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:08,779
that can have health issues as being too

921
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,460
small can be yeah exactly

922
00:41:14,019 --> 00:41:12,079
and also like it's not just about being

923
00:41:16,569 --> 00:41:14,029
bigger is it's just about having a

924
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:16,579
different body to the perfect type so

925
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,500
like I I had a patient a little while

926
00:41:23,799 --> 00:41:21,920
back who is she was 14 I think and she

927
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:23,809
was way taller than me and I'm pretty

928
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:24,950
tall so she was I think she's

929
00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:27,410
approaching 2 meters and she had a

930
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:29,000
shoulders hunched and she was like

931
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,400
trying to be smaller and I made a

932
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:32,960
comment about I was like you know wow I

933
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:34,730
said you are so tall that's amazing and

934
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:36,950
she was mortified because I guess she

935
00:41:39,789 --> 00:41:38,329
had it in her head but maybe she's been

936
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:39,799
bullied for it that kind of thing and I

937
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:41,180
always think like it's such a shame

938
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:42,500
because you should be positive with what

939
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:45,049
you've got yes I have noticed that when

940
00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:47,420
I've gone out with tall women they do

941
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,400
have a natural thing to hunch a bit

942
00:41:53,019 --> 00:41:51,710
because they don't want to tower over

943
00:41:55,269 --> 00:41:53,029
the guys for some reason and whether

944
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:55,279
that's subconscious or whether someone's

945
00:41:58,299 --> 00:41:56,569
actually bullied them about that in

946
00:42:00,940 --> 00:41:58,309
school it's hard to know yeah completely

947
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:00,950
and and it's not just like a passing

948
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,990
comment can have a lot of damage and if

949
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:04,680
you are it's gone you know

950
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:06,990
teenagers are evil right kids generally

951
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:09,420
are pretty evil and often you sure that

952
00:42:13,549 --> 00:42:12,089
make a big deal about men being horrible

953
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:13,559
to women but women are pretty horrible

954
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:15,150
to women in the school environment as

955
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:16,890
well humans are just generally horrible

956
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,819
bad I mean look look look cats humans

957
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:22,440
can be as bad as cats sometimes you know

958
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,650
we've got claws definitely yeah well

959
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:27,420
yeah also it's a very interesting thing

960
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:29,550
that's being opened up so do you think

961
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:30,839
there's any sort of what's the solution

962
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:31,770
for it I mean obviously a bit of

963
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:33,510
critical thinking is but and that's not

964
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:35,849
really big on Instagram it's not I think

965
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,250
that you know what the main thing that

966
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:40,140
would really help in these scenarios is

967
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:43,710
where is your money coming from so who

968
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:46,530
is sponsoring you so statement of view

969
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:48,329
yeah like that kind of sponsor seems

970
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,210
very interest exactly because I think if

971
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:53,880
if you can scroll back and look at

972
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,349
someone's feed and see when they were

973
00:42:59,359 --> 00:42:57,359
before they were big and see how they

974
00:43:02,180 --> 00:42:59,369
look then and use that as your benchmark

975
00:43:03,799 --> 00:43:02,190
then fine whatever but if you're looking

976
00:43:06,049 --> 00:43:03,809
at you know someone's feed now when

977
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:06,059
they've had god knows how many thousands

978
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:08,130
of dollars handed to them but you don't

979
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:09,930
know that obviously they have been

980
00:43:15,289 --> 00:43:13,079
basically created by a series of brands

981
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:15,299
right yes and when I have gone on

982
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:16,410
someone's Instagram and they've got

983
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:17,609
something that looks rather expensive

984
00:43:22,339 --> 00:43:19,410
it's always that provided by the company

985
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:22,349
people get really annoyed by that but if

986
00:43:25,299 --> 00:43:23,910
it is provided by the company that

987
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:25,309
should be something to boast about

988
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:27,540
absolutely so I watch quite a lot of

989
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:30,150
guitar videos and you'll often find in

990
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:31,619
there they will not only tell you

991
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:32,970
because it's obvious what guitar they're

992
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:33,930
playing because you can see it but

993
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:35,099
they'll even tell you what strings I've

994
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:37,020
got on there they'll tell you like what

995
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:38,700
pedal they've got yeah the cables that

996
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:39,780
they're using they'll tell you that

997
00:43:44,299 --> 00:43:42,750
everything down to even the amp settings

998
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:44,309
before you start they'll tell you okay

999
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,540
this is the amp setting that I'm using

1000
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:47,280
on this particular hand right whereas

1001
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:49,890
you don't get that in beauty in fashion

1002
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:53,250
so much right now Trish and Maine are

1003
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:55,950
calling for full disclosure in fashion

1004
00:44:00,140 --> 00:43:57,930
shoots absolutely because it's all about

1005
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:00,150
health and we need to make sure that our

1006
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:01,890
young people are being brought up

1007
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,710
healthily and to not have these eating

1008
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,780
disorders body dysmorphia anything like

1009
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:08,880
that because it's coming from us to

1010
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:10,950
older people down to them and we have a

1011
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:13,470
responsibility is there anything we can

1012
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:15,150
close is a website or something that

1013
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:16,920
looks into this kind of thing or has

1014
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,690
been revealing

1015
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:18,800
kind of thing do you know that you know

1016
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:20,750
well I wouldn't a website but there are

1017
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:22,760
some other influences out there who are

1018
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:24,230
doing really really good work in this

1019
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:25,910
regard so one of these people Jameela

1020
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:28,190
Jamil she's a British actress she's been

1021
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:29,330
in the good place and a few other things

1022
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:31,220
as well she's fantastic because she

1023
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:32,990
openly talks about her struggles with

1024
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:34,580
eating disorders with abuse and that

1025
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:36,080
kind of thing and how its shaped her as

1026
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,360
a person and she talks about the fact

1027
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:40,160
that you know like she looks fantastic

1028
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:42,530
but she'll say here's why I look

1029
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:44,420
fantastic you know and she'll talk about

1030
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:45,770
that how what she did to get there so I

1031
00:45:08,060 --> 00:44:47,240
think people like her are very important

1032
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:11,890
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interview in this week's show notes a

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video interview and it's called Richard

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Saunders skepticism vintage whoo and

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fake news now I hope I hope I'm the

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first one who's come up with this term

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vintage whoo when talking about ghosts

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and UFOs and Bigfoot and things like

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that and I admitted since PI the term is

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inspired by a youtube channel I follow

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called vintage space which is very

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entertaining there you go vintage whoo

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anyway if you head to this week's show

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notes and click on the link to YouTube

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you can see that interview for yourself

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coming up on next week's show I hope to

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bring you interviews from surf coast

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summer skeptic Camp eight I'm packing my

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bags and I'll be spending a couple of

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days in Melbourne with my good friend

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dr. Steve Roberts longtime skeptic and

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UFO expert then heading off to a Lee's

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Inlet to take part in the skeptic app

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I'll be talking about strange energies

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strange energies the Australian skeptics

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have encountered or should I say the

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claims of strange energies Australian

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skeptics have encountered and everybody

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there will get to put to the test the

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premium wind card this is a credit card

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sized metallic card that you and I kid

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you not you rub on the side of a glass a

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tumbler a wine glass or any other glass

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and improve the taste of the liquid

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inside

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sounds too good to be true we'll be

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testing that at skeptic amp links in

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this week's show notes lots of other

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great speakers as well as you would have

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heard in this week's episode of the

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skeptic zone and I'm sure we're

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have a fabulous time if you are coming

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to skeptic camp please come up and say

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hello I believe there will be a little

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table set aside for me to do some work

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during the skeptic am probably editing

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the show and I'll have served my origami

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on display as well and that origami

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which is in the form of flying Pegasus

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earrings and dinosaurs and elephants and

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things like that that all helps me to

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keep the skeptic zone going as well as a

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course your generous support via patreon

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or PayPal at skeptics on TV and thank

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you to those people who do regularly

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send me money via micro payments and

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those people who have signed up with

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you've ever thought to yourself maybe I

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should support the skeptic zone that's a

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good thought believe me that's a very

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good thought and I hope you would

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consider doing that and of course Elly's

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Inlet and the surrounding area is a

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famous tourist destination good for long

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walks

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I hear especially along the beach

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looking forward to that but for this

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week

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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from Sydney Australia you've been

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expressed on the skeptic zone are not

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necessarily those of Australian skeptics

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or any other sceptical organisation

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comes up quite a lot of these on the

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sceptic zone podcast Pussycats what are

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you doing I'm trying to record a show

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hmm and are you trying to help what are

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you doing here

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you wanna help me with the show yeah

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when you put a lie on the floor and

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scratch the carpet making noise hmm goes

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fresh there you are

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how about that